Anthony Sutton On 'Skull
        & Bones,' US Banks Financing
           Hitler, & 'Trance-Formation'
                      Antony Sutton, is the author of 26 books, many of which
                      can be purchased on-line at Amazon or Barnes & Noble.
                      Liberty House Press at 1-800-343-6180 has copies of
                      America's Secret Establishment and Best Enemy Money
                      Can Buy for sale.
                      The following interview with Mr. Sutton is dated July 6,
                      Antony C. Sutton, 74, has been persecuted but never
                      prosecuted for his research and subsequent publishing of
                      his findings. His mainstream career was shattered by his
                      devotion towards uncovering the truth. In 1968, his
                      Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development
                      was published by The Hoover Institute at Stanford
                      University. Sutton showed how the Soviet state's
                      technological and manufacturing base, which was then
                      engaged in supplying the North Vietnamese the
                      armaments and supplies to kill and wound American
                      soldiers, was built by US firms and mostly paid for by
                      the US taxpayers. From their largest steel and iron plant,
                      to automobile manufacturing equipment, to precision
                      ball-bearings and computers, basically the majority of the
                      Soviet's large industrial enterprises had been built with
                      the United States help or technical assistance.
                      Professor Richard Pipes, of Harvard, said in his book,
                      Survival Is Not Enough: Soviet Realities and America's
                      Future (Simon & Schuster;1984): "In his three-volume
                      detailed account of Soviet Purchases of Western
                      Equipment and Technology . . . [Antony] Sutton comes
                      to conclusions that are uncomfortable for many
                      businessmen and economists. For this reason his work
                      tends to be either dismissed out of hand as 'extreme' or,
                      more often, simply ignored."
                      The report was too much and Sutton's career as a
                      well-paid member of the academic establishment was
                      under attack and he was told that he "would not survive".
                      His work led him to more questions than answers. "Why
                      had the US built-up it's enemy? Why did the US build-up
                      the Soviet Union, while we also transferred technology to
                      Hitler's Germany? Why does Washington want to
                      conceal these facts?"
                      Sutton, following his leads, proceeded to research and
                      write his three outstanding books on Wall Street: and
                      FDR; and the Rise of Hitler; and The Bolshevik
                      Revolution. Then, someone sent Antony a membership
                      list of Skull and Bones and--"a picture jumped out". And
                      what a picture! A multigenerational foreign-based secret
                      society with fingers in all kinds of pies and roots going
                      back to 'Illuminati' influences in 1830's Germany.
                      For the full story, check-out Sutton's book America's
                      Secret Establishment, in print for 14 years and available
                      from Liberty House Press, 1-800-343-6180.
                      Skull And Bones
                      Here, in a recent e-mail interview, are Antony Sutton's
                      own reflections and answers to questions from myself
                      and other researchers.
                      Pre-interview note from Antony Sutton: Remember all
                      my papers on this are in deep storage 1000 miles away
                      and cannot be accessed and I've not even thought about
                      S&B for 15 years. I had no idea that any interest had
                      been aroused out there. I know the book is a steady seller
                      from the royalty reports; but that is all. For the last 10
                      years I have been in complete seclusion working on
                      future technology...I'm more engineer than historian. The
                      only visitors I've had or meetings have been with
                      three-letter agency people, who arrive on the doorstep
                      unannounced and complain I am hard to find. Big
                      Brother has the ability apparently to find anyone. Nothing
                      mysterious about this, I just dislike publicity and social
                      interaction. . . . You will see from the Dutch TV episode
                      that my work still upsets the "powers that be" so these
                      are merely reasonable precautions.
                      KM - Can you tell the story of how you learned of Skull
                      & Bones? And how you felt?
                      AS - I knew nothing of S&B until I received a letter in
                      the early 80's asking if I would like to look at a genuine
                      membership list. For no real reason I said yes. It was
                      agreed to send the package by Federal Express and I
                      could keep it for 24 hours, it had to be returned to the
                      safe. It was a "black bag" job by a family member
                      disgusted with their activities. For the benefit of any S&B
                      members who may read and doubt the statement; the
                      membership list is in two volumes, black leather bound.
                      Living members and deceased members in separate
                      volumes. Very handsome books. I spent all night in
                      Kinko's, Santa Cruz , copied the entire volumes and
                      returned within the 24 hour period. I have never released
                      any copies or identified the source. I figured each copy
                      could be coded and enable S&B to trace the leak. How
                      did I feel? I felt then (as I do now} that these
                      "prominent" men are really immature juveniles at heart.
                      The horrible reality is that these little boys have been
                      dominant in their influence in world affairs. No wonder
                      we have wars and violence. Skull and Bones is the
                      symbol of terrorist violence, pirates, the SS Deaths Head
                      Division in WW Two, labels on poison bottles and so on.
                      I kept the stack of xerox sheets for quite a while before I
                      looked at them--when I did look--a picture jumped out,
                      THIS was a significant part of the so called
                      establishment. No wonder the world has problems!
                      KM - What is the percentage of active members?
                      AS - I haven't checked for 15 used to be about
                      one quarter. With the rise of the Bush dynasty it will
                      increase somewhat, as they climb on the bankwagon.
                      The Demos had their turn with Harriman in the 40's and
                      KM - How many active members are there?
                      AS - Usually about 600 alive at any one time . . . recently
                      more active.
                      KM- What is your take on the grandfather clock that
                      each member allegedly receives?
                      AS - They do get a clock I've had that confirmed and
                      you will see it in the photos in ASE (AMERICA'S
                      SECRET ESTABLISHMENT). Might be symbolic,
                      perhaps to state their organization goes on timelessly.
                      KM - Has Skull and Bones lost its clout?
                      AS - Well look at the recent fundraiser for George
                      Bush...Republicans are stuffing money into his
                      pockets...I suggest members recently got behind one of
                      their own and decided to push George all out for
                      president--and Democrats can't do a thing because
                      Democrat Bones are not going to allow the Party to use
                      the ultimate weapon--George's membership in a foreign
                      secret society.
                      KM - What do you know of George ' W.' Bush?
                      AS - He is a third generation Bonesman. My personal
                      impression is that he doesn't have the drive of his father
                      or the skills of his grandfather....--but I could be very
                      wrong. He can beat anyone hands down--EXCEPT
                      VENTURA. If Bush handlers allow a face to face debate
                      between Bush and Ventura, Ventura will win. Remember
                      Ventura has admitted to his so-called "sins". Bush has a
                      closet full waiting to emerge. People are getting bored
                      with cover ups and spin. 2000 may see the end of the
                      Bones influence or--reality that these Bones people are
                      KM - Is the 'name' of the German group known?
                      AS - Almost certainly Illuminati.
                      KM - Some people say that there are other 'cells'; what
                      do you think?
                      AS - There are many other secret societies. I've only
                      looked at S&B. Unfortunately no historian will keep his
                      job if he tries to explore conspiracy...this is taboo for the
                      American Historical Association. Sooner or later outsiders
                      will take a look. I've long thought that S&B fits the legal
                      definition of a conspiracy and needs to be officially
                      investigated. Yes there should be other cells. No secret
                      society worth anything is going to keep its inner actions
                      written down on paper. If the gigantic electronic
                      monitoring apparatus is for national security purposes;
                      then it should be monitoring these people 24 hours a day.
                      KM - What are your thoughts on Wolf's Head? Scroll &
                      Key? And the other Senior societies at Yale?
                      AS - Wolfs Head, Scroll and Key seem to be pale
                      imitations of S&B, but they have the same objective of
                      deliberately building discrimination into a society. I
                      listened to Jesse Ventura last night and he made the point
                      that the Founding Fathers intended for CITIZENS to
                      represent the people. I agree, a trucker, a farmer, a
                      teacher--represents the people not a bunch of
                      professional pols or a secret society like S&B. All these
                      societies place their own members ahead of the pack and
                      give preference to their own members--this is
                      discrimination par excellence.
                      KM - Have you read Cathy O'Brian's book
                      Trance-Formation Of America? What do think of it?
                      AS - The book does not contain one piece of hard
                      physical evidence.. I think Cathy O'Brien BELIEVES
                      SHE IS TELLING THE TRUTH . . . but remember that
                      Mark Phillips is a skilled neuro-linguistic-programmer.
                      Another point that really concerns me is this...where did
                      this story originate? It originated in Communist Chinese
                      Intelligence and Mark Phillips had a contractual
                      relationship with the ChiComs. This could be an attempt
                      to destabilize the US. No doubt these Washington pols
                      are fully capable of these weird practices, just look at
                      Bohemian Grove but that doesn't mean that the book is
                      an accurate portrayal. If the book is credible I would
                      think the police would have raided Bohemian Grove long
                      My best guess is that the Chinese picked up whispers of
                      Washington scandals and blew them out of proportion for
                      their own purposes. This is a GUESS...I don't know.
                      One thing that puzzled me, with all these sexual
                      shenanigans how do Washington politicians find time to
                      do anything else? According to the book this is a full time
                      occupation for Senator Byrd and others.
                      KM - What did your study of elites, economics, secrecy
                      and technology do for your career?
                      AS-Depends what you mean by "career"? By
                      conventional standards I am an abject failure. I've been
                      thrown out of two major Universities (UCLA and
                      Stanford), denied tenure at Cal State Los Angeles. Every
                      time I write something, it appears to offend someone in
                      the Establishment and they throw me to the wolves. On
                      the other hand I've written 26 books, published a couple
                      of newsletters and so on...even more important I've
                      never compromised on the truth And I don't quit. In
                      material terms...hopeless failure. In terms of discovery...I
                      think I've been successful. Judge a man by his enemies.
                      William Buckley called me a "jerk". Glenn Campbell,
                      former Director of the Hoover Institution, Stanford called
                      me "a problem".
                      KM - Do you believe that there has been suppression of
                      technology? Has it been major or minor?
                      AS - Yes there has been suppression but its going to be
                      impossible to suppress the new emerging paradigm.
                      KM - The Federal Reserve, the House of Morgan, House
                      of Rothschild and Skull and Bones are they related?
                      AS - Best source for this is a book by me THE
                      FEDERAL RESERVE CONSPIRACY, 1995 CPA, PO
                      Box 596, Boring OR 97007.
                      KM- On Skull and Bone's influencing John Dewey and
                      Horace Mann; are there good source materials to follow
                      that story?
                      AS - Depends what you want to find. You could explore
                      the 10(?) volume works of Dewey... outrageous
                      Hegelianism, the state is supreme, the individual merely a
                      pawn to be trained. This is the basis of our 'educational
                      system"...or you could go and explore the members of
                      S&B who brought the system to the US. This trained
                      "sausage mind" outlook has thoroughly permeated our
                      universities--that's why we have the peer review
                      system...we are all supposed to think alike and find the
                      same answers. This political correctness garbage is
                      another step to total thought control.
                      AH - Did any of Hitler's economic policies threaten the
                      interests of the international bankers, and if so did that
                      play a role in his downfall?
                      AS - Hitler's economic policies were OK'd by the
                      bankers right through the war...ITT, Chase, Texaco and
                      others were operating in Nazi-held France as late as
                      1945. In fact Chase in Paris was trying to get Nazi
                      accounts as late as 1944. When we got to Germany in
                      May 1945, I remember seeing a (bombed-out)
                      Woolworth store in Hamburg and thinking, "What's
                      Woolworth doing in Nazi Germany?" While we were
                      bombed and shelled it was "business as usual" for Big
                      Business. Try the Alien Custodian Papers. See my BEST
                      ENEMY MONEY CAN BUY for more information.
                      Union Banking is very important. I made a documentary
                      for Dutch National TV some years ago. It got all the way
                      through the production process to the Dutch TV
             the last minute it was pulled and another film
                      substituted. This documentary has proof of Bush
                      financing Hitler-- documents. Maybe my Dutch friends
                      will still get it viewed, but the apparatus reaches into
                      KM - What is the story that was going to be told on
                      Dutch TV? And what is the story of it's censorship?
                      AS - Couple of years back, a Dutch TV production
                      company from Amsterdam--under contract to Dutch
                      National TV--came to US to make documentary on
                      S&B. They went to the Bones Temple and other places
                      and interviewed people on East Coast. On West Coast,
                      they interviewed myself and one other person. I saw
                      extracts from the original and it is a good professional
                      job. They had documents linking Bush family and other
                      S&B members to financing Hitler through Union Banking
                      of New York and its Dutch correspondent bank. More
                      than I have in WALL STREET AND THE RISE OF
                      HITLER. The first version was later upgraded into a two
                      part documentary and scheduled for showing this last
                      March. It was pulled at last minute and has never been
                      AH - Who has been financing Milosevic, and what role
                      has the international banking community played in the
                      AS - I haven't looked at this one. Of course the notorious
                      Black Hand society is located in the Balkans. See WW
                      DG - What is the importance of your work on Skull and
                      AS - The potential is extraordinary. IF we find that secret
                      societies are indeed significant the entire history of the
                      last two centuries will have to be re-written. At this point
                      in 1999, the potential has not been explored by others
                      and I've moved back to my original interest--technology.
                      Apparently people see some merit in the work. It is never
                      advertised. It is an underground word of mouth
                      distribution but has sold steadily from 1986 to date.
                      Every month I get a royalty check, so I know it is selling.
                      But my original enthusiastic statement has not been
                      KM - What do you see for the future?
                      AS - Chaos, confusion and ultimately a battle between
                      the individual and the State. The individual is the
                      stronger; and will win. The state is a fiction sanctified by
                      Hegel and his followers to CONTROL the individual.
                      Sooner or later people will wake up. First we have to
                      dump the trap of right and left, this is a Hegelian trap to
                      divide and control. The battle is not between right and
                      left; it is between us and them. The message is getting
                      through. ASE has sold for 15 years, small but steady. No
                      advertising. Its an underground work. But the breadth of
                      interest is amazing. From Black Africa, to Russia (12,000
                      copies), right, cuts across all ethnic, political,
                      social lines...The spirit of God is within us as individuals.
                      Skull & Bones represents death. It has no life spirit and
                      pretends that the State "is the march of God on earth".
                      The thinking of immature juveniles, deadly and
                      destructive and has almost totally infected Washington.
                      What to do? Find yourself and then go to work.....tell
                      your friends and put out the message. The answer is
                      within you. _____ Antony Sutton, is the author of 26
                      books, many of which can be purchased on-line at
                      Amazon or Barnes & Noble. Liberty House Press at
                      1-800-343-6180 has copies of America's Secret
                      Establishment and Best Enemy Money Can Buy for sale.
                      New York Editors . . . In talking to a magazine in New
                      York that is working on a feature story on George ' W '
                      Bush and was thinking of doing a piece on S&B. I asked
                      how about a sidebar on Antony Sutton? After getting
                      responses peppered with phrases such as; "Someone is
                      claiming he's a John Bircher" and; Here is what one
                      editor (who shall remain nameless) had to say about
                      "Liberty House was/is a right wing publishing company
                      located in Billings, Montana. Anthony Sutton was a
                      research fellow at Stanford's Hoover Institution. Among
                      many other claims, Sutton's book accuses Skull and
                      Bones of funding and encouraging "the Maxist/Leftist
                      '60s revolution"....and diverting attention by drawing
                      students into disarmament and/or environmental groups
                      and issues. Although there seems to be some real info in
                      his book, it reads like a classic text of right-wing
                      propaganda, filled with hyperbole and unsourced
                      allegations" Antony Sutton's response:
                      What's wrong with these editors? I was thrown out of the
                      Hoover Institution by the CIA types....I am definitely
                      persona non-grata. Director Glenn Campbell actually
                      threatened me: "you will not survive."
                      Some right winger!! I've never been a member of the
                      Birch Society or any society come to that. I'd like to have
                      that Editor say that to my face. They're sick! Get his
                      comments on the above...and have him come up with
                      some proof. What's the legal definition of has
                      to be untrue and malicious. Do they have any money?
                      When it comes right down to it the NY people didn't
                      even read my book...else they would know that I see the
                      right-left approach as a Hegelian for lack of
                      evidence Ill leave that to the readers. On second thought
                      they probably never heard of Hegel. When Lenin
                      referred to 'useful idiots" he must have had these people
                      in mind.