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atlantis720
Level 1
7/13/11
I have read the FAQs and checked for similar issues: YES
My site's URL (web address) is: www.goingtovegas.com
Description (including timeline of any changes made): 3 months

I was hit by Panda 2, probably lost about 60% of my Google search traffic. I have done all I can to "correct" my site, creating more unique content and informative for my visitors, to the most useful guide I can think of, at least feasibly without my previous income.

Obviously my income is down dramatically, on a personal note I live in Christchurch, NZ, and have been enduring earthquakes for nearly a year now, my house is in bad shape, and the local economy is even worse. I have a mortgage, a wife and a baby to support, if my sites do not recover I will likely have to sell my house in this depressed economic time. This is just my story, I am sure many others have similar or worse situations of how they are affected. i.e. Google really is playing with people's lives here.

I have worked hard and invested into helping Google's search results, with my sites, making them as good as I can, continually re-investing, making what is best for the user, and I thoroughly enjoy it, it gives me a feeling of contribution and creation. I have dedicated 15 years of my life into web sites, and I am very specialized, to the point that it all comes down to my survival in Google.

Now Google has changed the game with their Panda updates, leaving me frazzled, and not knowing what to do. I am happy to play ball, and want to what is right, but there are no rules here. I don't want to invest thousands more and leave myself even more vulnerable as times are already hard enough, and I can't be certain such an investment would getting me out of the Pandalization. I have heard so many other stories about sites that sound so unjustly pandalized, yet when I do a search I still see these farm type sites that were allegedly the target of Panda.

My question/s is this, to any Google employee - PLEASE! Just let me/us know what is going on. Is it possible to get out of Panda? How long might it take if the necessary changes are made? Do you care at all about the webmasters who have been contributing to your index all these years? Why are you so secretive? Will more adjustments be made to make things fair? Is it an algorithm or penalty? If it possible to get out, do you have to wait for an update, or are there certain filters that will be triggered?

Please, please, please, I ask again, just provide me with some clarity and direction. My life is in complete limbo at this stage.

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alistair.lattimore
Level 9
7/13/11
Best answer - Ashley (Top Contributor) Go to this answer
Google have provided some amount of guidance on what the Panda algorithm is about and the sorts of things they are interested in. If you read between the lines of their various blog posts on the topic, they are looking to reduce the visibility of websites that don't meet their new quality guidelines.

Can you get out of panda, the answer I think is yes if you meet their guidelines. How long will that take, well the panda algorithm isn't computed in near or close to real time as googlebot spiders the web - it is run periodically by Google as it requires massive amounts of computing power to recompute the various signals that panda looks at. 

If their current schedule is maintained, they are manually re-running that every 5-7 weeks as they continue to tune the algorithm. If & when they feel they have the algorithm with the right balance of quality, that might decrease in frequency or maybe they'll find a way to run it periodically more frequently.
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alistair.lattimore
Level 9
7/13/11
Best answer - Ashley (Top Contributor)
Google have provided some amount of guidance on what the Panda algorithm is about and the sorts of things they are interested in. If you read between the lines of their various blog posts on the topic, they are looking to reduce the visibility of websites that don't meet their new quality guidelines.

Can you get out of panda, the answer I think is yes if you meet their guidelines. How long will that take, well the panda algorithm isn't computed in near or close to real time as googlebot spiders the web - it is run periodically by Google as it requires massive amounts of computing power to recompute the various signals that panda looks at. 

If their current schedule is maintained, they are manually re-running that every 5-7 weeks as they continue to tune the algorithm. If & when they feel they have the algorithm with the right balance of quality, that might decrease in frequency or maybe they'll find a way to run it periodically more frequently.
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atlantis720
Level 1
7/13/11
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback, but I am well aware of they have released, and you can read between the lines as much as possible, but there is still so much ambiguity there. And is it possible for sites to come out of the Panda?
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Steven Lockey
Level 12
7/13/11
He already answered that......
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Biiim
Level 3
7/13/11
@atlantis720 panda effects everybody you can't avoid it, some for good some for bad.  it's basically changed the whole way the google search index is worked out, "oh this stuff is already mentioned over here, he doesnt get any credit for that i wont rank him for it" etc.

there is no switching back, if you want to "get out of panda" create something that actually contributes to the web and doesn't just repeat the same old stuff that's already out there
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atlantis720
Level 1
7/14/11
So do you mean the domain tainted for the rest of time? Or if I create something that contributes to the web it will get out of Panda?
As for "oh this stuff is already mentioned over here, he doesnt get any credit for that i wont rank him for it", then why does that mean scraper sites out rank original content sites.
My web site is shown here, how is that not a good contribution? All unique professionally written content from a credible source.
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Ashley
Top Contributor
Webmaster Help Bionic Poster
7/14/11
Man.... I sometimes wonder if you're actually taking the time to read people's responses. You can rank better even after Panda if you make a worthwhile site and follow the guidelines.
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atlantis720
Level 1
7/14/11
Yeah I know the feeling, I am wondering if anyone actually understands what I am asking, no one is giving me direct answers. Am I just not getting it? Can someone just give me a blunt answer and tell me what I am doing wrong.
My site gets a lot of FB Likes, I have had a lot of positive feedback, friends of mine whom have gone to Vegas even said it was the most useful site to the city. How can this not be what Google wants? Isn't that high quality?
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alistair.lattimore
Level 9
7/14/11
atlantis,

You do have a pretty good site, however you've also got a lot of thin content on your site.

As an example, the restaurant list for Japanese restaurants provides virtually everything that is featured on each of the individual restaurant profiles. If you want to include restaurant profiles, include restaurant profiles not their name and address that people can get from hundreds of places on the internet. Add some real value to that section of your site by taking a drive on the weekend with your digital camera, take half a dozen photos from inside/outside the restaurant, get some menus from them, talk to their staff about how they describe the food they create and so forth.

Republishing content that someone else has already published ad nauseam just isn't enough anymore. One of the things that came out of the panda update was that having low quality pages on your site can infact harm your entire website and not just that individual page or section of your site. Taking that into consideration, you need to take a really hard look at your site and its content and assess what content you think is of the absolute highest quality and consider applying a meta noindex to the low quality content until you can improve it.

Al.
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I Have a Username
Level 3
7/14/11
atlantis720, all you heard are a rehashing of what they *think* panda is about. That's all. They also assume that Panda is perfect and that many sites have come back after following their non-advice, advice.
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Ashley
Top Contributor
Webmaster Help Bionic Poster
7/14/11
Real helpful.
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I Have a Username
Level 3
7/14/11
"Real helpful. "

I told him the truth not drive him into insanity with "follow the guidelines." I like his site and apparently has has improved it a lot, judging by older pages still in the cache.
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atlantis720
Level 1
7/14/11
Thanks guys, I appreciate the constructive criticism, I have been contemplating writing reviews for all restaurants and night life listings, its a major job, 500 or so pages, but I think it is necessary. I just figured something was better than nothing to help my visitors.
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Biiim
Level 3
7/14/11
@atlantis720 don't get me wrong,   i was just saying panda is here and effecting everyone it cant be turned off. 

Your site does look pretty great i'd definitely use it if i was going to vegas(nice domain choice), you say your traffic has dropped, find out what traffic that actually was, i see you still rank pretty well for "vegas travel guide" i doubt its for that.  Best thing you can do is locate what the actual drop in traffic is so you can work out what it is you need to do to get them back. It could be something like "vegas holidays" which currently goes to all the big holiday people like thomas cook, which is one big part of going to vegas - getting there!
so add/change something to bring them back whatever the traffic was

thats real world thinking, not taking guesses on what the panda update has done
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atlantis720
Level 1
7/15/11
Thank you for the compliments. The traffic is Google traffic, e.g. I used to be #1 for "Vegas Travel Guide", I was even #1 for "Vegas Guide", and #4 for "Las Vegas Travel".
It still has outstanding ranks in Bing.
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