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theseotester
Level 1
7/21/11
I have read the FAQs and checked for similar issues: YES
My site's URL (web address) is: I will tell you if you ask :)
Description (including timeline of any changes made):
Before you admins go all crazy, there is a good reason for this post to be here.
I have been testing out many blackhat technicques and I wanted to share with you some that area really working. I tried for a long time to do things the correct way and this was my expereince in short.
I would be outranked by a blackhat technique, no problems people told me on here they will get punished soon enough. Was this advice correct YES it was.
but as soon as one got another would appear using a new blackhat technique. So it was almost impossible to rank top 3 without using blackhat for a business that was just very standard and would not get much natural links etc...

So I decided to test out some techniques since the Panda update, which so many good sites got affected and never corrected. To my amazement simply buying links on these sites
http://commonwealthlaw2009.org/
http://lindenhillshistory.org/
http://conferenceonthinking.org/
http://coming2america.com/
http://stockholmexpo2010.com/
http://flamencopasion.com/
http://nepalibooks.org/
http://etaac.org/
http://havanabeverages.com/

All are high PR sites that allow you to buy random keyword links and they just let you place them anywhere in the text. I shot up to #1 in Gogole in just 3 weeks and my sales have been great, I am making more money now using these sites than I ever have in the past.

The mods in here are powerless to do anything about these types of sites. how do i know this you ask? Well when I had trouble in the past with sites and reported them nothing ever happened. So I am confident that these site will remain despite me advertising them.

The real message behind me writing this post is a last ditch attempt for people in google to take notice of the types of fraud talking place and the uterly useless algo that the Panda update has done for SPAM.

I am happy for my site to be penelised as a result of this if it means Google finally gets their act together!

But I doubt it. Maybe the more people abuse this method the better, this will force Google to fix the issue.

If this is deleted I will continue to create new accounts and post this information. As I see no reason for thsi post not to be here.
please dont silence my genuine concerns.

Thanks
Andrew

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Geoff Louw
Level 6
7/21/11
lol, I dig you man.
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Hasan Habib
Level 1
7/21/11
I dnt say abt your site bt i say your question is too lengthy i got confused
thats why u r not getting answer write summary again
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theseotester
Level 1
7/21/11
The funny thing is I win both ways. If my site gets banned or the sites I bought from get punished google get better for everyone! And if they do nothing my sales keep rolling in LOL
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Geoff Louw
Level 6
7/21/11
Rolling on the floor
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webado
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7/21/11
>>So I am confident that these site will remain despite me advertising them.

Maybe but your site(s) won't last for long.
 
But then again, I spot-checked one of those sites and is it ever a truckload of spam! So it has to be on its way down the drain.
 
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Linkbuildr
Level 6
7/21/11
Well you say they won't last long but tons of my legit brand clients have been battling companies doing in-content paid links for YEARS now. Spam reports are doing nout and as long as they keep their top anchor text site/brand name and other random ish like click here, view the link etc etc they keep ranking HARD.

I'd still never risk it with my business or a clients either, but just saying the waiting game sometimes sucks balls.
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webado
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7/21/11
>>doing in-content paid links
 
That's of course against the guidelines if those links are followed rather than nofollowed, and will be eventually found out. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
 
But at least you are talking about "in content", presumably rather artfully included (to have avoided the robots detection).
 
Here we are talking about "in extremely spammy content", quite a different thing. Hopefully such ultra-spammy sites will get delisted swiftly, I cannot imagine why the robots didn't pick up on  this garbage already (unless it's very recent)....
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SEO_Pro
Level 6
7/21/11
>>>will be eventually found out. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

The real time experience shows "later rather than sooner" :)


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webado
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7/21/11
Not judging by all the people posting asking what happened to their spammy sites.
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andybush
Level 2
7/21/11
Lol guys. But sadly, let me put it in perspective here for Google emplyees. When they smashed good white hat sites with this Panda crap, now guess what a lot of those white hat SEOs are typing in google. They are typing: black hat seo. Some of them will go to Adwords and soon find out that Adwords sucks! And after that they will be using black hat and kick Google ass hard. Panda punished white hat guys a big time and black hat guys never really cared!
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andybush
Level 2
7/21/11
PS: And let me explain why white hat seo look on the darl side now because Panda effectively showed these guys that whit hat strategies now have the same characteristics that only black hat always had: short life! When a 3 or 5 or 10 year domain is sent to the end of results by Panda this is exactly what SHOULD NOT be happening with a white hat domain. Google could save this situation if it communicated better with webmasters but simply not even telling anyone how often this Panda runs, keeping webmasters guessing Google is digging its own hole for organic search. Soon it will have no choice but to show the same sites as it shows in paid listings (it is actually already happening). And all this new shady things with long titles for the top 3 ads. This is all just so tacky. It smells!
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LyricalQuestion
Level 9
7/21/11
" Prevalent software spots would be the birdwatcher and guidebook business additionally present the specific display cases recovery concerning valuable alloys. Study pertaining to different metal-containing derivatives with regards to their usefulness relies on the usage of like services so that they can allow an immediate transfer related to outcomes in industrial workout. The Company of Nonferrous Metallurgy set up converter software (TBRC) is at store fixtures critical phrases of their adaptability and also its dimension is actually distinctive and also"

Note words are keyworded and linked by these sites within nonsensical content.

Googlebot cannot decipher this yet.

Sigh....

Back to Black...  for a lot of SEO...

It's a SHAME - the writing is horrid - and sad sad sad... As a writer -it makes me cringe......


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Hade
Level 1
7/21/11
Isn't it ironic that my 100% whitehat site that has never paid for any links, has been delisted for some mystery link-related reason. WTF Google.
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Faisal11
Level 1
7/21/11
I have two websites, which I use to publish news. After panda update google index my site late. Can someone tell me how to solve this issue.
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theseotester
Level 1
7/21/11
Three very good points made above by

Linkbuildr: "Spam reports are doing nout"
LyricalQuestion:
"Note words are keyworded and linked by these sites within nonsensical content."
"Googlebot cannot decipher this yet."

Agreed Spam reports are doing nout, now the suprise of this is that I am aware of the sites being listed above for a long long time. I reported one similar as spam about 1 year ago. This point goes ahnd in hand with LyricalQuestion's point. "sites within nonsensical content" Now diodnt google claim the new panad update was so good that it could detect BADLY written content? hmmmmmm..... er no I dont think so. As you rightfully said "Googlebot cannot decipher this yet" and this being the case, should they not be paying attention to the damn Spam and Link buying reports that many of us report!

A busines sthe size of google with their main product being the search engine, this should be priority number one, there are people out there doing teh work for them for FREE (you and I) all they need to do is pay a few people to check it. Its in their own best interests. andybush has a point and its got me thinking, Google is not a stupid company nor are the people running it, so the only explanation is that by punising the white hat users and making things nonsensical, that business owner has no choice but to save their business by the only means possible. ADWORDS.

I own multiple businesses and recently all of them have been contacted by the Adwords team asking me to speak with a specialist so that they could get me to spend more money or start a new campaign.

I have been responsible for 2 major news stories hitting the 3rd page of the major newspapers and I am strongly considering going to them again about this. The papers are always losing money to the online world and would be happy to listen to this one and make a fuss of it.

I think it would be responsible if a google employee actually responded to this thread, we promise to to bark or bite :) but as many of us are wondering, what is the protocal for such spam websites as reporting them does NOT work. Is there so many being reported that they are back logged? if so you will never catch up because as old ones are reported new ones are reported with new techniques sitting at the back of the que.

More searches are being done on cell phones than on home pc's now and if people start to use other search engines, it could tail off quicky for the first time ever for Google as its funded by businesses, if business lose faith in google there is nobody left to fund them. One day this will happen as carzy as it seems. Groupon came out of knowhere so will the next search inovation.
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Geoff Louw
Level 6
7/21/11
Rage against the machine
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theseotester
Level 1
7/21/11
Oh... one more thing and its important.

webado said "Maybe but your site(s) won't last for long."

Be very very careful when you make a statement like that! One industry I work in has horrible horrible people since a competitor made an afiliate scheme that paid very well. This made tons of bl;ack hat seo's deliver every dirty trick in the book to my site. One day I had about 100,000 links created from an xrumer box another day I had links built in high pr sites that clearly looked spammy. These BlackHat SEO guys know what they are doing. That site bombed out of Google so fast I had no idea what had happened until I spoke to a web agency about it.

Penelising the businesses in those sites above is not an option UNFORTUNATLY. Otherwise Blackhat seo's will build sites like this and put their competition on it and then report them. That will be the blackhat SEO for 2011/2012

The sites should simply lose and gains that those sites give them. I DO NOT believe tahts what is happening currently as my other business would be back to the top 5 (or even top 10) where it was before the spam. Not 70th.
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theseotester
Level 1
7/21/11
Geoff Louw, they got to #1 in the UK charts at xmas to stop Simon Cowell from buying it with his xfactor winner. We really need people power sometimes as it almost always works. Maybe a mass anti Google is the only option. Its not an attack at google its to whow how much we love it and care for it that we care enough to complain. I moved from Yahoo to Google back in 1998 ish because it was better. Problem right now is moving away from Google is not an option for anyone, you wouldnt move a profitable shop from central london to a farm house now would you. :)
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webado
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7/21/11
>>Be very very careful when you make a statement like that! One industry I work in has horrible horrible people ...
Are you threatening me? It won't work. 
 
I don't work in any "industry".
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Rustic_Gland
Level 3
7/21/11
I shouldn't be telling you this, really I shouldn't but...well...Larry Page has a black hat. There I've said it. It's made of felt and he wears it when he goes to Discworld conventions.
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webado
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7/21/11
I don't wear hats, they mess up my hair. I do however wear gloves.
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Lysis
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7/21/11
What's up with the threats on this forum? Jeez people...it's a forum. Chill out.

> I shouldn't be telling you this, really I shouldn't but...well...Larry Page has a black hat. There I've said it.

Expect a visit from the Google po-po for this. :D
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theseotester
Level 1
7/21/11
webado: "Are you threatening me? It won't work."

Who how what where when? How in hell did you take that soooooo out of context? You have me totally stumped webado.
Did you not read the next sentence?
Let me explain in baby language as to be very clear on what I said.

You said "Maybe but your site(s) won't last for long"
I said "Be very very careful when you make a statement like that!"

The reason being there are people out there doing bad seo to other people and the wrong people may get punished if the sites seem to be buying links are punished as a result rather than any gains made reversed.

Lysis: Correct, people are way to quick to go mental without reading things first.


NOW LETS NOT TURN THIS CONVERSATION AWAY FROM THE REAL PROBLEM.

More comments please everyone forget the last 4 comments as they take the thread away from its purpose. Jeez there is even spam in this thread, when will it ever end! LOL

Please read very carfully what I wrote
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andybush
Level 2
7/22/11
"The reason being there are people out there doing bad seo to other people and the wrong people may get punished if the sites seem to be buying links are punished as a result rather than any gains made reversed."

EXACTLY. Any black hat seo is white hat in its ugly. So while Google is hunting  the black hat guys down it will slap a lot of white hat sites on the way for no reason. Collateral damage or whatever. And then these slapped guys turn to black hat and discover that it is easier done than white hat lol! But then again Panda is all about finding "more quality sites: in search. Who is gonna argue here that the above sites are not good quality? Panda found 'em and loves 'em. So let's just all get down to work and help Panda find more.
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theseotester
Level 1
7/23/11
hmmm. no response from Google? Seems a bit suspect to me. For once I wish google would admit to their faults and tell us they intend to look into the matter! We dont expect perfection we just want to do the right thing and with all of us helping we should be acknowledged more.

Come on? Reponse please.
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Rustic_Gland
Level 3
7/24/11
I was sat next to Larry in the Lobby Bar of the Four Seasons, Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo last night and I raised this very issue. He looked at me blankly, said nothing and left the bar. Now what can we gauge from his response? Well either he was embarrassed and just could not bring himself to look me in the eye let alone discuss this issue or it was the wrong Larry and he thought I was a fruitcake.
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Ja-Si-Da
Level 8
7/24/11
There's an easy way to tell if it was the right Larry: did he have a black hat with him?
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andybush
Level 2
7/24/11
I am sure the Googlers already looking at those sites and scratching their heads how to algorithmically devalue such links. Let me tell you, if I worked at google, I would put a stop to this within 1 week. There are so many indicators these sites have that are just too hard to ignore! These sites are one of those very ugly (not the ugliest of course, viagra guys still on top of the ugly lol) black hat SEOs. The problem is that there are SOOO MANY tricks that black hat guys are using, I mean it is almost impractical to fight with them. You just can't kill them all. Googlers tweka a few things and the black hat guys tweak a few things. And black hat guys will always be a few steaps ahead because Googlers neeed to evaluate, test, get changes approved, etc. And black hat guys deploy tweaks overnight. What Googlers are doing wrong is that with all this un rough Panda updates, they alienate white hat webmasetrs. Once there are more black hat SEOs than white hat SEOs, Google has lost the game. So get your shit together Googlers and make Panda work CORRECT for white hat, long standing sites!
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webado
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7/24/11
Please show me a site that's really, really innocent, really, really, really adheres to all guidelines in fact and in spirit, is really, really derserving of ranking well from all points of view,  yet it has been hit (hit, not merely never ranked well). I'm very curious, as I don't remember seeing any such site.
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andybush
Level 2
7/24/11
webado: Plenty! Some of them were covered in the media. Look up the New York times articles.
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Lysis
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7/24/11
Panda is working great. A lot lets spam in my results. I've only seen about 2 sites on here where I thought they were good and wouldn't mind them in my SERPs.
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Ja-Si-Da
Level 8
7/24/11
I'm going to invent black helmet seo. It will be just like black hat seo, but more difficult to break.

Or maybe I should just invent white helmet seo, which will work just like white hat seo, but will actually result in ridiculously good rankings.
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mraccardi
Level 4
7/25/11
white hat websites will never win over black hat seo websites , for one reason . Anything that black hat seo marketers do that can get them banned or damage rankings they will do to their competitors .  If backlink spam hurts a web ranking then if you are a white hat user expect your website to be spammed all over the place with backlinks. until you are removed from top ranking .   They are already doing it and expect for much much more of it to be happening.

Check out it happens from this article from Rockfuse.
References:
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Susan 47
Level 1
7/25/11
webado:"Please show me a site that's really, really innocent, really, really, really adheres to all guidelines in fact and in spirit, is really, really derserving of ranking well from all points of view"

That's not a reasonable way to judge a site, since sites that weren't hit would very commonly fail the same 'test'. As would pretty much every site in the world if you look hard enough for 'issues'. The question is whether sites were affected that are as informative and useful as sites that weren't affected.

Examples? Some I've noticed in the travel industry (reported as hit in the main panda thread) include www.americansouthwest.net, www.francethisway.com, http://www.britainexpress.com, www.responsibletravel.com

They aren't my sites so please don't bother telling me what's wrong with them, that would be unfair to the owners who don't know I've mentioned them here, I'm just making the point that genuine sites - that is, 'sites that are more informative or useful than those that weren't affected' - certainly do appear to have been hit unfairly.

Lysis: "I've only seen about 2 sites on here where I thought they were good and wouldn't mind them in my SERPs"

What % of 'incorrectly hit' sites do you think is acceptable? These are sites that owners have often spent years working on, only to see their rankings disappear. If 10 small businesses get wrecked unfairly is that OK? Or 100? or 1000? It's easy to be critical, and I agree that most sites hit by panda were fairly 'penalised', but that doesn't make it any easier for those that were unfairly affected.

Meanwhile I could show you emails I receive continuously from 'leading brands' and sites that weren't hit that are asking to buy links, do 3-way link exchanges or, more commonly nowadays, offering to 'write an article for your site that will give you useful and relevant content, and only contain one link back to our own site...'
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webado
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7/25/11
Lysis may have seen 2 such innocent sites, I haven't seen any. Not in this forum. Every times somebody's come in here complaining they've been hit unfairly, it was pretty obvious why and quite justified. usually the question is what took so long?
 
Of course you get spammed as I do, so what?  I'd never in a thousand years give them the time of day, would you? Then you deserve any trouble you find yourself in.
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webado
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7/25/11
>> 'sites that are more informative or useful than those that weren't affected'
 
A site which does not carry unique original content but duplicates Wikipedia can be said to be informative and useful. It may, shoudl be affected. Does it have a right to complain? No.
 
A site whose only true reason for existing is as a holder for ads has no claim, regardless how "informative" the content may be.
 
A site whose only true reason for existing is to push ebay or Amazon products (with unprotecetd affiliate links), also has no claim.
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Ja-Si-Da
Level 8
7/25/11
The problem being that there is almost no truly unique content on the web. There is nothing new under the sun. All that's necessary for Google to think something is unique is to get info from a wide variety of sources and cobble it together, couching it in different language.

A cinch for any copywriter worth his salt. The unique content thing is just the catchword of the day, as open to abuse as anything else.

And maybe 0.001% of people who own websites are aware of the importance of, and how to do, nofollow microformatting.
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mraccardi
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7/25/11
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>> 'sites that are more informative or useful than those that weren't affected'

A site which does not carry unique original content but duplicates Wikipedia can be said to be informative and useful. It may, shoudl be affected. Does it have a right to complain? No.

A site whose only true reason for existing is as a holder for ads has no claim, regardless how "informative" the content may be.

A site whose only true reason for existing is to push ebay or Amazon products (with unprotecetd affiliate links), also has no claim.


Webado you just described Google.com
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Ja-Si-Da
Level 8
7/25/11
>>"Webado you just described Google.com"

Hahahahahaha! Too true.

But Google doesn't do very well in searches for "search engine". Must be punishing itself.
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theseotester
Level 1
7/25/11
mraccardi your link to that Reference blog is spot on.

-- Why Google forum is terrible --
Typical scenario of this forum:
Orginal post ->
suporters of post ->
Top Contributor does not read post and gets all het up about the worng thing ->
Orignal poster must explain they got wrong idea ->
Bit of mud slinging ->
Spammer contribuers come in and make jokes to take the subject matter ototally off course ->
Responses from serious people come in ->
More jokes made to agrevate them ->
Subject taken totally of course because there is a total inept ability to do anything about an obvious problem.

Webado if you have a problem with your comments above, they have nothing to do with the original thread which you failed to read properly and I kindly ask you to leave this conversation and start your own thread with your own cry baby saga of how nobody on here is legit so I am going to bash them without giving anyone the benefit of the doubt.

Ja-Si-Da - Please refrain from jokes in here. It is insulting to people that have genuine concerns and does not reflect well on any knowledge you may have to offer.

I pressume nobody is qualified to actually deal with the problem listed therefor exposing a large whole in google's search engine?
All those sites still have nice juicy pagerank with dofollow links.
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